| QUOTE (bballfan1 @ December 18, 2007 11:41 am) |
If you are refering to the Riverside game for the 6 players being on the floor... I talked with all three officials after the game and all three said they didn't see the sixth player on the floor. The Riverside coaches were at the scorers table(go figure) and the officials were trying to get the game started and "apparently" none of the three saw the sixth player. I agree totally that if they had seen the additional player they would have called a technical foul. It is real easy to see things in the third row of the bleachers then it is on the floor. Oh, sorry that is a whole other topic on an other thread!!!! Yea, you wanna-be officials know what that is all about!!!! |
Seems to me you have detailed knowledge about what the refs seen.

You seem to have a hatred of Coach Campbell or Coach Hall. One to many technicals given to them perhaps.
I don't hate anybody. I am just telling you what I was told. Coaches have a job to do, just like referees. Each should do their respective jobs and leave the other alone. I see coaches all the time telling referees to watch this and watch that. What if a referee told a coach what offense to run or what defense to play?

? I can assure you that they would probably get a call from the AAA office. Think about that!!!
| QUOTE (deeznutz1963 @ December 17, 2007 11:07 pm) |
Let's start something new and productive. From time-to-time, a situation will be posted. You make the call. Officials, try to refrain from answering too quick!
Situation: Team A is awarded and alternating-posession (AP) throw-in. A1 lobs the throw-in pass toward A2 who is breaking to the basket. The throw-in pass is too high and lodges between the ring and the backboard.
What is your ruling and what are you going to do about the AP arrow? |
I waited as long as I could not to answer but I can't wait any longer.
There are two rules that come into play. 1) concerning lodged ball and 2) loss of AP arrow.
Rule 9.2.8 throw in violation
It is a violation on team A for lodging the throw in pass. Teeam B gets the ball at the same throw in spot.
Rule6.4.5 Loss of arrow
Since team A violated during an AP then they lose the arrow and it becomes Team B's arrow on the next alternating Poss. In effect team A loses 2 AP because they violated their own.
| QUOTE (neafbfan @ December 18, 2007 02:18 pm) |
| Jump ball situation. The game starts or overtime starts and the official tosses the ball into the air, but neither player makes contact with the ball. The ball hits the floor and a player from team A grabs the ball and starts toward his basket and play continues. What is the violation if any and what is the correction? |
This is an easy one.
If neither jumper touches the ball and the ball hits the floor. Play should be stopped immediately and the ball tossed again.
RULE 6-3.6
New Situation-
Players A1 and A2 set a double screen on the baseline to free A3 for a 3 point shot in the corner. On the way past the screen A3 intentionally runs out of bounds in order to run their defender into the screen. A3 catches , shoots and makes the 3 point shot.
Is this any violation or is the try for 3 good.
Same scenerio only B1 intentionally runs out of bounds to avoid the screen, just as A3's shot is in flight.
| QUOTE (hoopswatcher @ December 18, 2007 03:04 pm) |
| QUOTE (deeznutz1963 @ December 17, 2007 11:07 pm) | Let's start something new and productive. From time-to-time, a situation will be posted. You make the call. Officials, try to refrain from answering too quick!
Situation: Team A is awarded and alternating-posession (AP) throw-in. A1 lobs the throw-in pass toward A2 who is breaking to the basket. The throw-in pass is too high and lodges between the ring and the backboard.
What is your ruling and what are you going to do about the AP arrow? |
I waited as long as I could not to answer but I can't wait any longer. There are two rules that come into play. 1) concerning lodged ball and 2) loss of AP arrow.
Rule 9.2.8 throw in violation
It is a violation on team A for lodging the throw in pass. Teeam B gets the ball at the same throw in spot.
Rule6.4.5 Loss of arrow
Since team A violated during an AP then they lose the arrow and it becomes Team B's arrow on the next alternating Poss. In effect team A loses 2 AP because they violated their own.
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I thought this was answered earlier by ford dealer.
| QUOTE (hoopswatcher @ December 18, 2007 03:27 pm) |
New Situation-
Players A1 and A2 set a double screen on the baseline to free A3 for a 3 point shot in the corner. On the way past the screen A3 intentionally runs out of bounds in order to run their defender into the screen. A3 catches , shoots and makes the 3 point shot.
Is this any violation or is the try for 3 good.
Same scenerio only B1 intentionally runs out of bounds to avoid the screen, just as A3's shot is in flight. |
I am not a ref; but I would say the 3 pointer is good. No violation.
Basket doesn't count, offensive team can not go out and re-enter to gain advantage. Loss of possession.
| QUOTE (hoopswatcher @ December 18, 2007 03:10 pm) |
| QUOTE (neafbfan @ December 18, 2007 02:18 pm) | | Jump ball situation. The game starts or overtime starts and the official tosses the ball into the air, but neither player makes contact with the ball. The ball hits the floor and a player from team A grabs the ball and starts toward his basket and play continues. What is the violation if any and what is the correction? |
This is an easy one.
If neither jumper touches the ball and the ball hits the floor. Play should be stopped immediately and the ball tossed again.
RULE 6-3.6
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Thanks hoopwatcher, but the officials allowed play to continue.
| QUOTE (4Rebels @ December 18, 2007 07:42 pm) |
| QUOTE (hoopswatcher @ December 18, 2007 03:27 pm) | New Situation-
Players A1 and A2 set a double screen on the baseline to free A3 for a 3 point shot in the corner. On the way past the screen A3 intentionally runs out of bounds in order to run their defender into the screen. A3 catches , shoots and makes the 3 point shot.
Is this any violation or is the try for 3 good.
Same scenerio only B1 intentionally runs out of bounds to avoid the screen, just as A3's shot is in flight. |
I am not a ref; but I would say the 3 pointer is good. No violation.
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If the offense can't go out of bounds and re-enter to gain an advantage,niether can the defender. If A3 was dribbling and lost the ball and reached to save it back into play, then A3 cannot come back into play and retrieve the ball until another player A or B has touched the ball. Since A3, has not had previoius possession of the ball, A3 is allowed to catch the pass and make a basketball move, in this case a shot. Basket good.
| QUOTE (neafbfan @ December 18, 2007 09:36 pm) |
| QUOTE (hoopswatcher @ December 18, 2007 03:10 pm) | | QUOTE (neafbfan @ December 18, 2007 02:18 pm) | | Jump ball situation. The game starts or overtime starts and the official tosses the ball into the air, but neither player makes contact with the ball. The ball hits the floor and a player from team A grabs the ball and starts toward his basket and play continues. What is the violation if any and what is the correction? |
This is an easy one.
If neither jumper touches the ball and the ball hits the floor. Play should be stopped immediately and the ball tossed again.
RULE 6-3.6
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Thanks hoopwatcher, but the officials allowed play to continue. |
see thread Officiating or the lack of it....
| QUOTE (Ball in gap @ December 18, 2007 05:43 pm) |
| QUOTE (hoopswatcher @ December 18, 2007 03:04 pm) | | QUOTE (deeznutz1963 @ December 17, 2007 11:07 pm) | Let's start something new and productive. From time-to-time, a situation will be posted. You make the call. Officials, try to refrain from answering too quick!
Situation: Team A is awarded and alternating-posession (AP) throw-in. A1 lobs the throw-in pass toward A2 who is breaking to the basket. The throw-in pass is too high and lodges between the ring and the backboard.
What is your ruling and what are you going to do about the AP arrow? |
I waited as long as I could not to answer but I can't wait any longer. There are two rules that come into play. 1) concerning lodged ball and 2) loss of AP arrow.
Rule 9.2.8 throw in violation
It is a violation on team A for lodging the throw in pass. Teeam B gets the ball at the same throw in spot.
Rule6.4.5 Loss of arrow
Since team A violated during an AP then they lose the arrow and it becomes Team B's arrow on the next alternating Poss. In effect team A loses 2 AP because they violated their own.
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I thought this was answered earlier by ford dealer.
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Team b could also get the ball two times on possession if team won the tip, but tip the ball out of bounds. Team B's ball plus arrow.
| QUOTE (basketballdad @ December 18, 2007 09:46 pm) |
| QUOTE (Ball in gap @ December 18, 2007 05:43 pm) | | QUOTE (hoopswatcher @ December 18, 2007 03:04 pm) | | QUOTE (deeznutz1963 @ December 17, 2007 11:07 pm) | Let's start something new and productive. From time-to-time, a situation will be posted. You make the call. Officials, try to refrain from answering too quick!
Situation: Team A is awarded and alternating-posession (AP) throw-in. A1 lobs the throw-in pass toward A2 who is breaking to the basket. The throw-in pass is too high and lodges between the ring and the backboard.
What is your ruling and what are you going to do about the AP arrow? |
I waited as long as I could not to answer but I can't wait any longer. There are two rules that come into play. 1) concerning lodged ball and 2) loss of AP arrow.
Rule 9.2.8 throw in violation
It is a violation on team A for lodging the throw in pass. Teeam B gets the ball at the same throw in spot.
Rule6.4.5 Loss of arrow
Since team A violated during an AP then they lose the arrow and it becomes Team B's arrow on the next alternating Poss. In effect team A loses 2 AP because they violated their own.
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I thought this was answered earlier by ford dealer.
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Team b could also get the ball two times on possession if team won the tip, but tip the ball out of bounds. Team B's ball plus arrow.
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Sorry basketballdad, but if B1 tips the ball and it goes out of bounds, there was no possession so ball goes to Team A with the arrow pointing to B. Rule 4-3a
On an AP throw-in, the only time Team A would lose the arrow is if a violation occurred during the throw-in. Ford Dealer and Hoopswatcher are both correct.
Basketballdad you are wrong on tis one. On the jump ball, if team A tips ball out of bounds, the ball belongs to team B. Since there was no initial possession, the AP goes to A. The key here is possession. Now lets take it a step further. If A gains possession on the jump, and B dislodges the ball from A and ball hits A's leg on goes ouot of bounds. Ball goes to B and they have the AP as well.
| QUOTE (hoopswatcher @ December 18, 2007 09:27 pm) |
New Situation-
Players A1 and A2 set a double screen on the baseline to free A3 for a 3 point shot in the corner. On the way past the screen A3 intentionally runs out of bounds in order to run their defender into the screen. A3 catches , shoots and makes the 3 point shot.
Is this any violation or is the try for 3 good.
Same scenerio only B1 intentionally runs out of bounds to avoid the screen, just as A3's shot is in flight. |
If A player intentionally goes out of bounds, it's a violation. If he is forced out by B, then he can come back in bounds immediately and continue in the play.