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tailgator- 11-23-2007

a friend of mine says the school board met tuesday night after the game. I have no idea what was said or if we will ever know. But it took place around 9:30 at night, so it was probally about this issue. I just wonder which way they would go because bays school board does not support girls athletics whether its v-ball or cheerleading. The only difference is that they give equipment to v-ball and NOTHING to cheerleading.

slim2418- 11-24-2007
QUOTE (tailgator @ November 22, 2007 04:18 am)

As for the comment about players quiting...Thats because they dont want to work and they want to start whether they are qualified to do so or not.. That is really not the issue.

that would be a wrong assumption. Some that quit were starters with more on the way including Jr. High. How do you expect to build a program if you are so overbearing you can't keep any players. The ones I have spoken to said that she took all of the fun out of the game. I know that they are trying to create a winning program but face it if it ceases to be fun there is no use in playing any longer.

tailgator- 11-24-2007
QUOTE (slim2418 @ November 24, 2007 12:20 am)
QUOTE (tailgator @ November 22, 2007 04:18 am)

        As for the comment about players quiting...Thats because they dont want to work and they want to start whether they are qualified to do so or not.. That is really not the issue.

that would be a wrong assumption. Some that quit were starters with more on the way including Jr. High. How do you expect to build a program if you are so overbearing you can't keep any players. The ones I have spoken to said that she took all of the fun out of the game. I know that they are trying to create a winning program but face it if it ceases to be fun there is no use in playing any longer.

it isnt fun unless you win!!!! you cant win without discipline and a lot of hard work....Hard work is two a days and doing as your told when your told....I cant not complain about jollys coaching and this thread has nothing to do with her coaching or stacies. in my opinion, they are both great coaches of their sport. This is about sharing time and promoting healthy relationships between coaches and their players. My kid wants to play both and in such a small school, she should be allowed to do so!

if cheerleading has 10 girls and 4 play v-ball Stacy might lose 4 girls, then she's got a squad like last year...5 kids...its hard to pump up a gym with only 5 cheerleaders. it goes the other way too.

Bay talks about wanting to recruit to lift enrollments....this is defiantly not the way to do it!

slim2418- 11-26-2007
QUOTE (tailgator @ November 25, 2007 03:21 am)
QUOTE (slim2418 @ November 24, 2007 12:20 am)
QUOTE (tailgator @ November 22, 2007 04:18 am)

        As for the comment about players quiting...Thats because they dont want to work and they want to start whether they are qualified to do so or not.. That is really not the issue.

that would be a wrong assumption. Some that quit were starters with more on the way including Jr. High. How do you expect to build a program if you are so overbearing you can't keep any players. The ones I have spoken to said that she took all of the fun out of the game. I know that they are trying to create a winning program but face it if it ceases to be fun there is no use in playing any longer.

it isnt fun unless you win!!!! you cant win without discipline and a lot of hard work....Hard work is two a days and doing as your told when your told....I cant not complain about jollys coaching and this thread has nothing to do with her coaching or stacies. in my opinion, they are both great coaches of their sport. This is about sharing time and promoting healthy relationships between coaches and their players. My kid wants to play both and in such a small school, she should be allowed to do so!

if cheerleading has 10 girls and 4 play v-ball Stacy might lose 4 girls, then she's got a squad like last year...5 kids...its hard to pump up a gym with only 5 cheerleaders. it goes the other way too.

Bay talks about wanting to recruit to lift enrollments....this is defiantly not the way to do it!

Your daughter should be allowed to do both as they all should. My point is you can't lay it all at the cheerleading coach's doorstep as some want to do. As for it isn't fun if you are not winning that is absolutely correct. My son played on last years Jr. High team that won 5 games. He is also on this year's team that is 11-2. This year is definitely more fun. But if you are running players off right and left then there is no way you will ever compete. I know for a fact that you can't try to schedule around the volleyball practice because they are told it will be over at 5pm then it is stretched to 5:30-5:45.There is simply no way to schedule around this.There has to be some flexibility both ways.

magicman- 11-26-2007
QUOTE (tailgator @ November 24, 2007 09:21 pm)
QUOTE (slim2418 @ November 24, 2007 12:20 am)
QUOTE (tailgator @ November 22, 2007 04:18 am)

        As for the comment about players quiting...Thats because they dont want to work and they want to start whether they are qualified to do so or not.. That is really not the issue.

that would be a wrong assumption. Some that quit were starters with more on the way including Jr. High. How do you expect to build a program if you are so overbearing you can't keep any players. The ones I have spoken to said that she took all of the fun out of the game. I know that they are trying to create a winning program but face it if it ceases to be fun there is no use in playing any longer.

it isnt fun unless you win!!!! you cant win without discipline and a lot of hard work....Hard work is two a days and doing as your told when your told....I cant not complain about jollys coaching and this thread has nothing to do with her coaching or stacies. in my opinion, they are both great coaches of their sport. This is about sharing time and promoting healthy relationships between coaches and their players. My kid wants to play both and in such a small school, she should be allowed to do so!

if cheerleading has 10 girls and 4 play v-ball Stacy might lose 4 girls, then she's got a squad like last year...5 kids...its hard to pump up a gym with only 5 cheerleaders. it goes the other way too.

Bay talks about wanting to recruit to lift enrollments....this is defiantly not the way to do it!

Bay cant recruit for athletics because it is a public school. THATS ILLEGAL

tailgator- 11-27-2007
Bay cant recruit for athletics because it is a public school. THATS ILLEGAL


you can use athletics to recruit. No you cant say "come play for us, look how good we are, we want you.."..but you can show a parent with 3 kids that we have a good athletic program and are proud of it, please come to our school. But all they are going to be able to say is look we have sports but be prepared not to be able to play in more than one. All sports run into each other at some point. My kid had cheer tryouts the same week as 4 softball games .she learned her try out threw a tape, showed up on friday before a game and tried out. . does this mean she cant play softball any more either?


How would the board feel about their boy basketball players having to make choices between basketball and baseball...oh wait those are boys sports.



magicman- 11-27-2007
Thats what everybody says boys get to do whatever they want to and I get sick of it nearsports/0c9b9f48.gif nearsports/th_41616-4.gif . Maybe it true maybe it isnt but WHO CARES if yall wouldnt worry about the boys so much and worry about yalls on problems then something worked out. It seems the boys dont have a problem playing two sports. SO GET OFF THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THE BOYS GET TO DO IT AND THAT ALL THAT BAY ATHLETICS CARE ABOUT. You are just wasting your breath. nearsports/doh.gif

busymom72411- 11-28-2007
I have spoken to a couple of members of the school board. The ones that I have spoken to are in agreement, they should NOT have to choose. As far as the reason why the girls were told this, it was because the two coaches could not compromise on a Wednesday afternoon. They are going to meet and discuss the subject. At the present time, Bay does not offer enough extracurricular activities for any of its students. I have faith in those we elected. If they do not make the choices that are in the best interests of students, then they can be voted out.

My oldest daughter is a multi-sport athlete. However, she is not a cheerleader. It is still unfair to the girls that are! Sports are not just in schools to keep kids in shape. They should also teach our kids about teamwork, sportsmanship, committment, respect and pride, not to mention networking. By networking, I mean making connections that will withstand their high school careers. The coaches are there to set examples. Both coaches are doing an excellent job in their area. They just need to work together as their team/squad does when it is out on the court.

I was at some of the practices and games when girls quit. It was a different year. They were not used to running, conditioning, drills etc. It was hard on all of them. Some were not used to being taken out when they made mistakes. When they did get taken out, they got angry and walked out. I was sad that it happened but if they are not there for the right reasons, then it is best for everyone. It would also help, if parents allowed the coaches to coach. I was witness to a parent coming over to the coach during a warm up. The parent demanded that the coach speak right then and there about why that child was taken out of the previous game. As parents, we love our children and like to think that they play perfect all of the time. Let's face it, they don't. We all have bad days, why shouldn't the players? It really does help them (with esteem and attitude) if they are taken out of the game when they are not on top of their game.

Bay does not recruit for sports. Let's get real...it is about numbers when the state decides whether or not to keep a school open. This goes for enrollment and -*test*-('") scores. People are attracted to schools based on what their kids can participate in as well as how well they can educated their child(ren). If our numbers drop, we could possibly be on the next chopping block. Recruitment is also not just a school thing. City personnel and the community must work with the school to entice people to move into the community.

Our kids have rights in this situation. I would encourage them to get on the school board agenda and let our board members and administrators know how they feel.

For clarification, I am not a school official, city official, or coach. I am a former player, parent of athletes, and a lover of sports (yes, cheerleading is a sport).

lpass72- 11-29-2007
I am new on this page and let me start out by saying that those of you that are confused about what is going on, let me explain. Like any other school in the world, since more than one sport has been around, when the season to play that sport is in, it is mandatory to be at practice. HELLO, what is the deal here? It is not hard to understand that you have to be at practice to be able to play in your game the next night. That is with any sport at any school. Not just with volleyball at Bay school.

Now the reason that there are issues between cheerleading and volleyball this year is because we finally have a coach who cares about her team, her school, and the job that she got hired to do. Personally I don't think that cheerleading is a sport but I will add that they cheer because they love it and no one should take that or any other sport away from them. You are in High school people! Sounds like to me that the cheerleading sponsor, volleyball coach, and Chip Lane need to have a little meeting and figure out another way to settle this other than the cheerleading sponcer getting mad and making the kids choose. I don't know coach Jolly or the cheer leading sponsor personally but I do know for a fact what happened here and ya'll are pointing fingers at the wrong person. The decision to choose between the two sports was not made by a certified coach...it was made by the cheerleading sponsor.

I am all for freedom of speech and for people expressing their opinion but I do feel like in order to give an opinion about something you need to know the situation. Now, I don't know of one coach that wouldn't make a player go to their practice when their season was in. In the past, since the the golden era, the volleyball coach has been the cheerleading sponsor.( 2+2=4 duh) But never the less this is about our children today, and instead of parents fussing about it, lets try to make it work for them.

tailgator- 04-09-2008
my daughter went to the office today and asked when cheer leading try outs were going to be, then asked asked about volleyball. She said "i need to know so that i can make up my mind by then." coach says the 27th. Principle comes out and says " we will know about volleyball by then."
further information is ,a friend of mine told me to "make sure my daughter tries out for cheerleading because there will not be a volleyball next year." This a quote from a school board member... i didnt believe this when i heard it, now im not so sure. between not renewing the coaches contract yet and this comment, i believe volleyball might be done. sad.gif

i guess we'll know on monday, there is a school board meeting. nearsports/bluecry.gif its never ending at this school!!!

Missco- 04-09-2008
That doesn't surprise me at all. Poor leadership at the top always shows. There is no reason not to have Volleyball at Bay. How sad.

Falcon5- 04-10-2008
I can understand where both sides are coming from. When I was in senior high at CRA we had no limit on the amount of sports you could play at one time. Was the lifestyle hectic? It was incredibly hectic but it was also incredibly fun. Playing Tennis, Cross Country, and Basketball in the fall and winter and then turning around and playing Soccer, Track, and Golf in the spring was a blast. I would say almost 25% of the athletes in our school at this time had a schedule like this. Did we make every single practice for every single sport? Of course not. Is this the best thing to do? Of course not. I do know that it was extremely fun to play nine holes of golf from 4 to 6 and then go play soccer at 7 with a track meet the next day. I would not have it any other way and I would say most of my friends would echo that sentiment.

tailgator- 04-16-2008
i guess for those of you who read the j-sun from cover to cover , you know we have lost our v-ball coach. I have heard it has nothing to do with all the crap that is bay, but it was because of some certification issues. The school/cheer coach have decided that our girls can play both sports again. nearsports/th_yawn.gif yeah, we will have volleyball, but we'll ####. Who's gonna coach( if there is a team at all)? thats a whole other forum. I think ill just pull up last years and continue where i left off...... nearsports/doh.gif

BayMan1975- 04-17-2008
I hate to hear that. Candace was doing a fine job at Bay. They were heading in the right direction. Good luck Bay girls. I hope you get things worked out.

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